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Hey Everyone!!

I am in the market for a new car, and right now a 6MT 10th gen Accord is in the lead. I am leaning toward a used 18-19 in Sport trim, but trying to decide between the 1.5T and 2.0T engines. The 1.5T is much easier to find, and so far I actually have not found a suitable 2.0T with a 6MT. Obviously the 2.0T has more power, but are there any other factors I should consider? Is one more reliable or cheaper to maintain than the other? Gas mileage seems fairly close and isn't a huge concern.

EDIT: I added a poll option for the 2.0T 10AT as well. I am a big fan of MT's but am open to getting the AT. Anyone happen to have driven both (2.0T 6MT and 10AT)? I have not driven a honda CVT, but in general I am not a big fan of CVT's. My Girlfriend has a Crosstrek CVT, and something about the way it drives I just don't like.

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When I looked into it- The 2 Liter had heated seats and a sunroof.. I utilize the sunroof almost all the time I drive. I average around 24 to 27 mpg with it. It feels considerably faster for sure- but I haven't gone anywhere close to redline or taken it to the limit. I don't know about the reliability or maintenance costs. I only have 9k on mine so far.

Only thing I can tell you is- it feels damn good to overtake someone with ease. I had a camry before (2011 CE) and it was such a struggle to overtake above 50 mph.

The other cars I was looking into around the time I got the accord was the Jetta GLI and Genesis G70.. both of them offer stick too.
 

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When I looked into it- The 2 Liter had heated seats and a sunroof.. I utilize the sunroof almost all the time I drive. I average around 24 to 27 mpg with it. It feels considerably faster for sure- but I haven't gone anywhere close to redline or taken it to the limit. I don't know about the reliability or maintenance costs. I only have 9k on mine so far.

Only thing I can tell you is- it feels damn good to overtake someone with ease. I had a camry before (2011 CE) and it was such a struggle to overtake above 50 mph.

The other cars I was looking into around the time I got the accord was the Jetta GLI and Genesis G70.. both of them offer stick too.
Thanks! I am hoping to drive a 2.0L 10AT EX this weekend. I'm not sure if I can bring myself to get an automatic (my current truck is MT and I have always owned/loved MT's) but I might do it. I know the AT is both faster in a straight line and probably better on gas, but there is just so much more fun factor when you have to shift IMO. We shall see :)
 

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Never have driven the MT or 1.5 Gen X Accord's and when I was looking into purchase neither were in the discussion. I have owned a MT Honda (daughter's first car) and they are easy to drive, however for me I didn't want to be constantly shifting gears in city driving. Older and arthritic now makes it not as fun as it was in the past. What I did want was the performance of the 2.0T and have not been disappointed.
 

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I have the 2.0T manual. I drove the 1.5 CVT when I had a loaner and it was snooze inducing. Do yourself a favor and hold out for a 2.0T with manual. You will be entertained for far longer with a manual not to mention the power and buttery smoothness of the 2.0. If you are concerned about reliability I have a hunch the manual transmission will last a lot longer than the automatic.
 

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I suggest the 2.0T for many reasons, including the ancillary options that come at that trim. I drove both the day I bought my 2.0T and to me at least it was no contest. The regular sport felt nimble but I wouldn't quite say fast. I basically bought the 2 because of the rear facing vents, larger screen and sunroof. However, it shocked me with how hard it pulled on the way home from the dealership, I had no idea it would have torque like that. I sided against manual in the end, in part because of problems with my knee but now I am happy I didn't get the 6MT. The manual in the 6MT is considered a mediocre manual transmission with a mediocre clutch. But the 10 speed they stuff into the 2.0T is actually mostly used as an Acura transmission in large, powerful models. Its tough as nails and amazingly sporty. They tune it to allow for engine braking which is very unique in an AT. Its also such a quick transmission that the 10AT is about .8 seconds faster in the quarter mile than the manual. I know people running 400 WHP through the 10 speed and its held up for some time. My advice is to not hold out for 6MT if its the difference between 1.5 and 2. Get the 2.0T even if it means getting the automatic.
 

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We have the 2.0 AT. It’s crazy’s fast for a family sedan. The one thing I don’t like is that first gear is so low the you get more wheel spin than acceleration when you launch on a wet road. I live in snow country so that is important to me. YMMV
 

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I suggest the 2.0T for many reasons, including the ancillary options that come at that trim. I drove both the day I bought my 2.0T and to me at least it was no contest. The regular sport felt nimble but I wouldn't quite say fast. I basically bought the 2 because of the rear facing vents, larger screen and sunroof. However, it shocked me with how hard it pulled on the way home from the dealership, I had no idea it would have torque like that. I sided against manual in the end, in part because of problems with my knee but now I am happy I didn't get the 6MT. The manual in the 6MT is considered a mediocre manual transmission with a mediocre clutch. But the 10 speed they stuff into the 2.0T is actually mostly used as an Acura transmission in large, powerful models. Its tough as nails and amazingly sporty. They tune it to allow for engine braking which is very unique in an AT. Its also such a quick transmission that the 10AT is about .8 seconds faster in the quarter mile than the manual. I know people running 400 WHP through the 10 speed and its held up for some time. My advice is to not hold out for 6MT if its the difference between 1.5 and 2. Get the 2.0T even if it means getting the automatic.
The mediocre clutch and shifter seems to be born of the few Youtube reveiwers who were not impressed. Savagegeese comes to mind. Most people took this as sacrosanct and the opinions of a few became the general consensus. No wonder Honda canceled the manual for 2021. Imagine if people actually drove the manual and experienced the exact opposite how many would have bought it and another manual optioned car would have been saved? Maybe my car is the exception, but the shifter is every bit as good as the last 15 Honda's I have owned. As much as people convince themselves they are getting a "fun" experience with an automatic, I assure you it is not the case. I suppose the bad mouthing of the manual convinced many to stay away, as will praising the 10 AT will convince drivers it's great.
 

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Hey Everyone,

Thank you all for your advice and feedback. I went and drove a 2020 EX-L 2.0T 10AT this weekend and it is a super fun and fast car, but I decided if I am going to switch from a truck (trading in my 09 Tacoma with 230k mi) to a sporty ish car, I gotta have the stick. The dealer searched and there are NO MT 2.0T accords ANYWHERE in New England. I also have looked everywhere for a lightly used option and have turned up nothing. I used to drive an RSX Type-S MT and that was my baby before I lost it to a flash flood. Have also owned a Civic SI.

I decided not to settle for the AT 2.0T and actually ended up going with another truck - I got a lightly used 2017 Ridgeline in RTL-E trim loaded with options. I love it :). I enjoy spirited driving in sporty cars and have missed it since I lost my RSX, but I also use the utility of a truck somewhat often. I own a 2-unit property and we have been doing renovations on it and I often am carrying lumber home from Lowe's, and go on a fair amount of camping trips etc.

Having said that, the Accord can tow 1,000 LBS and I could put a roof rack on it for carrying lumber home when needed. I am going to be periodically checking for used Gen X Accord Sport Touring models with the MT and may trade my Ridgeline for one if a really good opportunity comes up, and then just get a small trailer for the rare times I need to do "truck stuff".

If anyone finds a Sport Touring 2.0T MT Accord for sale and sends me a link and I end up getting it, I will send you a $150 finders fee :).

Note, I am in Maine and will probably keep the Ridgeline until next Spring before I start looking for possible swaps to an Accord.

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Wanted to add regarding the MT: I have heard there are serious rev-hang issues that can only be resolved with a tune. I also have heard the stock MT is very disconnected and soft (savagegeese). I don't care. I would immediately outfit the MT with all Acuity parts upon purchase to resolve most of the problems, and would deal with the Rev Hang until the warranty expires, then throw a Hondata tune in. I also don't care if the AT has a faster 0-60. MT's are more fun on curvy roads and in most situations in my opinion, and I just don't enjoy driving a "sporty" AT car.
 

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Glad OP that you how what you’ve wanted. I had taken the easy way out and in Jan of 2018 I purchased a 2018 2.0T Touring and then in May of 2018 I purchased a 2019 Ram 4x4. Wife was already driving a 6 speed turbocharged Subaru Legacy so we had the manual, auto and truck thing covered. Good luck with everything and enjoy that ride.
 

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Hopefully you can find a stick. I just took delivery of my manual 2.0T yesterday. It only took my dealer a week to find one for me, but I'm in Canada and I think manuals are a little easier to find here.

It's too bad the border is closed because you could probably hop over to New Brunswick and get a manual within a few days, although you'd almost certainly have to arrange your own financing anyway.
 

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Well, I’ve got just under 18 months and 10k on my 2019 platinum white pearl 6-MT Accord. All stock, except for the 12-inch Rockford Fosgate Punch 300-watt powered sub I had installed this summer. It’s a touch sleepy off a red light, but the 50mph-to-???mph acceleration is, as Rolls Royce might say, “sufficient.” ;) I live in Sarasota; but might find my way as far north as Washington DC, for the winter holiday. I would consider an offer... thinking of going for a Cayman or Corvette next... I’m feeling a mid-life crises coming on! :giggle:
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Hey Everyone,

Thank you all for your advice and feedback. I went and drove a 2020 EX-L 2.0T 10AT this weekend and it is a super fun and fast car, but I decided if I am going to switch from a truck (trading in my 09 Tacoma with 230k mi) to a sporty ish car, I gotta have the stick. The dealer searched and there are NO MT 2.0T accords ANYWHERE in New England. I also have looked everywhere for a lightly used option and have turned up nothing. I used to drive an RSX Type-S MT and that was my baby before I lost it to a flash flood. Have also owned a Civic SI.

I decided not to settle for the AT 2.0T and actually ended up going with another truck - I got a lightly used 2017 Ridgeline in RTL-E trim loaded with options. I love it :). I enjoy spirited driving in sporty cars and have missed it since I lost my RSX, but I also use the utility of a truck somewhat often. I own a 2-unit property and we have been doing renovations on it and I often am carrying lumber home from Lowe's, and go on a fair amount of camping trips etc.

Having said that, the Accord can tow 1,000 LBS and I could put a roof rack on it for carrying lumber home when needed. I am going to be periodically checking for used Gen X Accord Sport Touring models with the MT and may trade my Ridgeline for one if a really good opportunity comes up, and then just get a small trailer for the rare times I need to do "truck stuff".

If anyone finds a Sport Touring 2.0T MT Accord for sale and sends me a link and I end up getting it, I will send you a $150 finders fee :).

Note, I am in Maine and will probably keep the Ridgeline until next Spring before I start looking for possible swaps to an Accord.

EDIT:

Wanted to add regarding the MT: I have heard there are serious rev-hang issues that can only be resolved with a tune. I also have heard the stock MT is very disconnected and soft (savagegeese). I don't care. I would immediately outfit the MT with all Acuity parts upon purchase to resolve most of the problems, and would deal with the Rev Hang until the warranty expires, then throw a Hondata tune in. I also don't care if the AT has a faster 0-60. MT's are more fun on curvy roads and in most situations in my opinion, and I just don't enjoy driving a "sporty" AT car.
 
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