Another intake question for the 2.0T

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sn0wfall

Discussion Starter · Feb 3, 2022

Alright so I've read through various intake threads and instead of reviving a lot of dead ones I figured I'd ask here since a lot of time has passed to be able to evaluate everything. I'm just curious if anyone has other feedback than what I've found.

K&N Typhoon - Cheap, best for sound (loudest turbo sounds & the big wooosh).
PRL HVI - Most expensive but puts down the most power when appropriately tuned with other mods.
K&N Drop in - Maybe the best option for stock cars or stage 1 tunes without supporting mods?

I found a youtube log of a guy running his 2.0T at the track with the stock vs k&n drop in filter.
His first 3 stock 1/8 runs were 9.11 @ 80.25, 9.23 @ 79.93, 9.11 @ 80.28. His first 3 K&N drop in 1/8 runs were 9.02 @ 80.65, 9.06 @ 80.67 and 9.11 @ 80.03.

Pretty small difference, but the consistency leads me to believe that it probably was the air flow and not just a one off with lucky traction or reaction time or whatever it may be. But overall, average went from 9.15 to 9.06.

The point of all of this - the order of which I care about this mod: 1) Sound, 2) Looks, 3) Power with the caveat that I don't want to lose power, I just don't really care about gaining 5-10 hp or .09 seconds on a 1/8mi run. Having said that, what do you guys recommend for this? K&N is best for sound but I've heard that it can really suffer from heat soak. K&N drop in seems to not lose any power but I imagine the sound is barely there? The sound was barely there with my 370z or my BMW 535i. So if the N/A 3.7L 6 or the turbo 3.0L 6 just barely improved sound with a drop in I imagine a 2.0 4 will not.

Tl;dr - Which intake is the best for loudest turbo sounds without decreasing performance?

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Vegashybrid

· #2 · Feb 3, 2022 (Edited)

No offense but all these questions have been answered numerous times in the threads you have already read. A few post down there's a newer intake post about afe or kandn, giving the same answers that have been given 100 million other times on just about every car forum known to man, and will probably continue. All the intakes are simply filters on a stick and will all produce more engine/turbo sound. They're all going to gain minimal performance, and personally I only recommend them if you're trying to maximize power from your bolt-ons and it's your last modification (ie you have already upgraded the intercooler, downpipe, flash, etc). Get the one that you like the looks of the best or can get the best price on. As far as a drop-in filter, the hundreds of a second you mention are negligible and can be attributed to many other factors. Furthermore those are only results you'll see from a new k&n filter. Time and time again there have been many many tests that have shown that as soon as the k&n filters get the slightest bit dirty they actually flow less than a stock filter. Save your money for something else.
Edit: I should say minimum performance gains on a four-cylinder engine like this. There are some cases with larger V8 engines/ higher performance engines, that sometimes have restrictive intakes where you can see some actual gains from intakes. These instances is a rare as many factors as of late have optimized and increased efficiency in engines as much as possible to conform with current laws and standards. Case in point here's a $1400 intake for new Corvette power gains? 14hp 13 left.

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sn0wfall

Discussion Starter · #3 · Feb 3, 2022

Vegashybrid said:
No offense but all these questions have been answered numerous times in the threads you have already read. .

I get that intake questions are super common. But you clearly didn’t read what I was asking, which hasn’t been blatantly answered. And I didn’t want to resurrect other threads. If you had read my post you’d see that I already acknowledge the minimal gains and only WANT the sound. Look is secondary to sound and the only main point was no LOSS of power as I’ve seen old posts here saying some intakes lost power.

Just wanted to hear from people with experience in losing power and making sound which ones increase the most sound without said power loss. That’s all. I don’t expect or care for minimal power gains.

Vegashybrid

· #4 · Feb 3, 2022

sn0wfall said:
I get that intake questions are super common. But you clearly didn’t read what I was asking, which hasn’t been blatantly answered. And I didn’t want to resurrect other threads. If you had read my post you’d see that I already acknowledge the minimal gains and only WANT the sound. Look is secondary to sound and the only main point was no LOSS of power as I’ve seen old posts here saying some intakes lost power.

Just wanted to hear from people with experience in losing power and making sound which ones increase the most sound without said power loss. That’s all. I don’t expect or care for minimal power gains.

Yes I did read your post you clearly didn't bother reading my response. Just because it's for a new Honda doesn't change the physics of what they do and how they operate on a vehicle. ALL intake like this are going to have some loss of power for various reasons, period end of story. There is no magic intake like your looking for. The one that is going to increase the sound the most is probably the one with the largest diameter, which consequently will have the most power loss. So again go with the one you like the looks of the best or get the best price on.

sn0wfall

Discussion Starter · #5 · Feb 4, 2022

Vegashybrid said:
They're all going to gain minimal performance

Vegashybrid said:
There is no magic intake like your looking for. The one that is going to increase the sound the most is probably the one with the largest diameter, which consequently will have the most power loss.

So they'll all gain minimal performance but the largest diameter will have the most power loss ('most' implying that others also have power loss after you just said they'll all gain).

Hey man, I've had the larger engine car with $800 long tube intakes and a tune to gain maybe 15 horsepower. I understand a $400 intake isn't going to make me faster than a civic type R, when the 400+whp accords have a good $6-8k worth of upgrades to get there.

I was just asking a question for people who actually knew the answer. A lot of people have tried a lot of intakes. Was hoping someone could chime in with a loud one that they also tested to not lose a lot of power. No need to comment if you don't have an actual answer... this is the reason people avoid these kinds forums. Gatekeepers here acting high and mighty, killing any sense of community. Thanks for the response, there's no need for any more.

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Vegashybrid

· #6 · Feb 4, 2022 (Edited)

sn0wfall said:
So they'll all gain minimal performance but the largest diameter will have the most power loss ('most' implying that others also have power loss after you just said they'll all gain).

Hey man, I've had the larger engine car with $800 long tube intakes and a tune to gain maybe 15 horsepower. I understand a $400 intake isn't going to make me faster than a civic type R, when the 400+whp accords have a good $6-8k worth of upgrades to get there.

I was just asking a question for people who actually knew the answer. A lot of people have tried a lot of intakes. Was hoping someone could chime in with a loud one that they also tested to not lose a lot of power. No need to comment if you don't have an actual answer... this is the reason people avoid these kinds forums. Gatekeepers here acting high and mighty, killing any sense of community. Thanks for the response, there's no need for any more.

You said you've read all the threads and knew the basics about intakes. I took that to mean that I don't have to go in and explain in detail how they work. You made comment stating you know these things work already, one of them being that intakes will lose some power. This means I shouldn't have to go in and repeat all the knowledge you supposedly learn from reading these threads or already knew. But now you try and play stupid and mince words because you did not get the answer you wanted. Yes all filters on a stick will lose power lower down in the RPMs, a trade-off for the power they gain at higher RPMs. I know the answer and gave it to you twice, I'm not sure what's so hard for you to understand that. For the third time now all of them are going to increase the sound level fairly equally. The ones that are going to increase the sound the most are the larger diameter ones, end of story. It's not rocket science or difficult to figure out what I just typed. People avoid these forums cuz they ask literally the same exact questions over and over again, even ones the admit that they've already read the answer to 30 different times yet still ask the same question over again just like you did. Yet people like you have an attitude when they get responses because they did not get the answer they were looking for or people mess around with them. Just because you didn't get the answer you were looking for does it mean your question wasn't answered properly.
What in the world are you talking about gatekeepers, I have literally answered your question multiple times, in explicit detail now. I did from the beginning. It's not my fault I've given you the information you asked for three different times and that you choose not to listen to it. They're all going to produce about the same amount of noise! Larger diameter the pipe louder it will be and more power down low you will loose, in general. Now it's been answered a fourth time. There's no need to post comments if you choose to ignore the answers when provided to you. All you keep responding is that you know it does this and know it does that. If you already know everything why bother wasting people's time asking?

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sn0wfall

Discussion Starter · #7 · Feb 4, 2022

Vegashybrid said:
You said you've read all the threads and knew the basics about intakes. I took that to mean that I don't have to go in and explain in detail how they work. You made comment stating you know these things work already, one of them being that intakes will lose some power. This means I shouldn't have to go in and repeat all the knowledge you supposedly learn from reading these threads or already knew. But now you try and play stupid and mince words because you did not get the answer you wanted. Yes all filters on a stick will lose power lower down in the RPMs, a trade-off for the power they gain at higher RPMs. I know the answer and gave it to you twice, I'm not sure what's so hard for you to understand that. For the third time now all of them are going to increase the sound level fairly equally. The ones that are going to increase the sound the most are the larger diameter ones, end of story. It's not rocket science or difficult to figure out what I just typed. People avoid these forums cuz they ask literally the same exact questions over and over again, even ones the admit that they've already read the answer to 30 different times yet still ask the same question over again just like you did. Yet people like you have an attitude when they get responses because they did not get the answer they were looking for or people mess around with them. Just because you didn't get the answer you were looking for does it mean your question wasn't answered properly.
What in the world are you talking about gatekeepers, I have literally answered your question multiple times, in explicit detail now. I did from the beginning. It's not my fault I've given you the information you asked for three different times and that you choose not to listen to it. They're all going to produce about the same amount of noise! Larger diameter the pipe louder it will be and more power down low you will loose, in general. Now it's been answered a fourth time. There's no need to post comments if you choose to ignore the answers when provided to you. All you keep responding is that you know it does this and know it does that. If you already know everything why bother wasting people's time asking?

It's not playing stupid -- it's sarcasm. Right over the old noggin on that one, eh? Also, your answer(

Vegashybrid said:
For the third time now all of them are going to increase the sound level fairly equally

) is pretty blatantly wrong. There are various threads of people expressing "do not get ____ (PRL HVI for example) if you want sound, it's pretty quiet." There's also lots of variations about how X is louder than Y, but unfortunately only people using a butt dyno to determine the effects.

Again, what I asked for was someone who tried these intakes and found little to no reduction in power but amplified intake/turbo sound. That's why I'm "wasting time" asking. In reality the only time I'm wasting is yours because I'm laughing while pointing out your misinformation.

Vegashybrid

· #8 · Feb 4, 2022

sn0wfall said:
It's not playing stupid -- it's sarcasm. Right over the old noggin on that one, eh? Also, your answer(
) is pretty blatantly wrong. There are various threads of people expressing "do not get ____ (PRL HVI for example) if you want sound, it's pretty quiet." There's also lots of variations about how X is louder than Y, but unfortunately only people using a butt dyno to determine the effects.

Again, what I asked for was someone who tried these intakes and found little to no reduction in power but amplified intake/turbo sound. That's why I'm "wasting time" asking. In reality the only time I'm wasting is yours because I'm laughing while pointing out your misinformation.

Nothing went over my head just pointing out your blatant and failed attempt at levity. I have given no mis information whatsoever. They are ALL louder than stock. They will ALL loose some.power down low in exchange for power up top. It's basic principles of how they operate. But you seem to have an answer for everything already so again why are you wasting every one's time?
You literally just said you want people opinion on the sound and don't care about the power but everyone is using butt Dyno to measure. Yet you said you know your not going to gain any real power and are just looking for the sound? So which is it? Butt Dyno is someone measurement of power not sound. You cant even keep your own story straight. Don't understand why people like you who already have an answer for everything bothers on these forums if all your going to do is be argumentive and say you already know the answer to the questions you asked and that's not correct.
You already have your answers. You stated several times, on top of my very true and numerous correct responses to your questions. You keep saying you have read the threads and already know which one is louder and which one is more quiet. So the only reason for you to keep asking and subsequently continue to argue with someone trying to help you is simply to be rude and argumentative for no reason and to try and cause problems.

Your not wasting any of my time while I laugh at your ridiculous comment that keep persisting while I'm going to the bathroom. You say you already know everything about intakes ect so no reason for anyone else to respond and time for this thread to be closed.. cheers

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sn0wfall

Discussion Starter · #9 · Feb 4, 2022

Vegashybrid said:
Nothing went over my head just pointing out your blatant and failed attempt. I have given no mis information whatsoever. They are ALL louder than stock. They will ALL loose some.power down low in exchange for power up top. It's basic principles of how they operate. But you seem to have an answer for everything already so again why are you wasting every one's time?
You literally just said you want people opinion on the sound and don't care about the power but everyone is using butt Dyno to measure. Yet you said you know your not going to gain any real power and are just looking for the sound? So which is it? Butt Dyno is someone measurement of power not sound. You cant even keep your own story straight. Don't understand why people like you who already have an answer for everything bothers on these forums if all your going to do is be argumentive and say you already know the answer to the questions you asked and that's not correct.
You already have your answers. You stated several times, on top of my very true and numerous correct responses to your questions. You keep saying you have read the threads and already know which one is louder and which one is more quiet. So the only reason for you to keep asking and subsequently continue to argue with someone trying to help you is simply to be rude and argumentative for no reason and to try and cause problems.

Your not wasting any of my time while I laugh at your ridiculous comment that keep persisting while I'm going to the bathroom. You say you already know everything about intakes ect so no reason for anyone else to respond and time for this thread to be closed.. cheers

Cool story bro.

Now hopefully one of the grown ups who knows how to read can chime in with an actual answer to my actual question.

Vegashybrid

· #10 · Feb 4, 2022 (Edited)

sn0wfall said:
Cool story bro.

Now hopefully one of the grown ups who knows how to read can chime in with an actual answer to my actual question.

What's the point you have been given and read the answers yourself numerous time yet you still can't seem to figure it out ROFL. Probably nothing short of a miracle will get it through to you. Hopefully you will grow up and take a hint. Pretty sad all you do is attack people giving you valid answers and argue with them because you think you know everything. Cheers
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On top of that sound is subjective. Loud to one person, isn't necessarily loud to another. The only way to determine the answer your question would be to test each one with the decibel meter, not a dyno.
It's also common sense that the K&N will be louder than the PRL or AFE for example considering both have their filter enclosed entirely in a cold air box and the K&N isnt.
The two things you want are contradictory to each other. You want the most sound but want to minimize hp loss from heatsoak and intake pipe diameter. Can't have it both ways there hoss.

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sn0wfall

Discussion Starter · #11 · Feb 4, 2022

Vegashybrid said:
The two things you want are contradictory to each other. You want the most sound but want to minimize hp loss from heatsoak and intake pipe diameter. Can't have it both ways there hoss.

I'm only responding because you still don't get it or you're just stupid, I'm not sure which at this point. The words I'm using: most & least, indicate that there are other options on the scale. It's a ranking system. Let me break it down very simple for you. Item 1 - 5/5 loud, 2/5 power. Item 2 - 3/5 loud, 4/5 power. Item 3 - 1/5 loud, 5/5 power. One of these items is the most sound while losing the least power. What I'm asking is within the range of intakes that lose the least or no power, which of those would be the loudest? I don't understand why you act so entitled but can't understand a basic concept. I'm not asking for 5/5 sound and 5/5 power. I'm aware that doesn't exist. I'm asking of the ones with 5/5 power, which one has the highest number for sound rating. Do you understand now? Jesus it's like talking mechanics with a preschooler.

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Vegashybrid

· #12 · Feb 5, 2022 (Edited)

sn0wfall said:
loudest? I don't understand why you act so entitled but can't understand a basic concept. I'm not asking for 5/5 sound and 5/5 power. I'm aware that doesn't exist. I'm asking of the ones with 5/5 power.

Let me break it down here for your infantile brain that only seems to understand preschool level material. First off let's look at the ridiculous question you're asking. you asked yet another question about an intake when there are literally countless threads out there already answering your questions (because you quote the posts and respond with the answers given in those posts already so to start with you already know the answer your looking for but keep asking the same stupid questions). Second, you want to know which intake is going to make your car the loudest,hahaha. I don't understand why you act like such an idiot. You flat out said you know what you're looking for doesn't exist in the quote above, yet you can continue to argue. You've read all the reviews and have stated you know the answers already and yet argue with people who try to help you. So why should anyone bother when you seem to have the answers already and really don't want the help. Haven't you seem to notice that no one else has taken the time to respond to your moronic questions as you continue showing disrespect for people here. You talk like you know everything there is to know about intakes, but then you say you want one that has the least power loss with the most noise. Yet you yourself admit nothing like that exists. My advice for you is to go on to the Facebook car forums. There's tons of people there like you who put turbo stickers and the like to hopefully make their car louder and more annoying . There are tons of people there who have no idea what they are talking about and will give you the support for your ideas you're looking for. You will fit in very well there. Besides the fact the aforementioned preschooler has enough common sense they could figure out by now which intake is the loudest and would suit their needs the best. You've been ignored have a good life.

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Twas A Still Night

· #13 · Feb 5, 2022

As @Vegashybrid said having no loss of power or gains with a lot of sounds is gonna be a hard task. Hard to have it both ways.

With that being said I would instantly rule out any short ram type intake. They will give you the sound but you may have notable heat soak and torque loss. Then if you want sound, we have to rule out any close box intake.

This leaves one intake on the market that may work for you. The Mishimoto CAI. The Mishimoto is a primarily a closed box intake but it does have a cut out in the box as you can see below which will give you some of the sound you are looking for. The carbon fiber lid on top is also removable, if you wanted more sound. Even with the lid removed the box would still help prevent heat soak, at least maybe for a little bit. I think this is the best solution for you based on your needs.

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sn0wfall

Discussion Starter · #14 · Feb 5, 2022

Twas A Still Night said:
As @Vegashybrid said having no loss of power or gains with a lot of sounds is gonna be a hard task. Hard to have it both ways.

With that being said I would instantly rule out any short ram type intake. They will give you the sound but you may have notable heat soak and torque loss. Then if you want sound, we have to rule out any close box intake.

This leaves one intake on the market that may work for you. The Mishimoto CAI. The Mishimoto is a primarily a closed box intake but it does have a cut out in the box as you can see below which will give you some of the sound you are looking for. The carbon fiber lid on top is also removable, if you wanted more sound. Even with the lid removed the box would still help prevent heat soak, at least maybe for a little bit. I think this is the best solution for you based on your needs.

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Thank you! This is actually super helpful. I didn’t realize the mishimoto top came off. That’s actually the perfect combo so that I can leave it off when I want the sound or in cooler weather and box it up when I worry about heat soak. Appreciate it!

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Fired00d

· #15 · Feb 5, 2022

@Vegashybrid & @sn0wfall let me introduce a novel concept to you both... "Agree to Disagree" & move on. Both of you responding, repeating your points only makes both look ridiculous and doesn't benefit the forum. Thanks.

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sn0wfall

Discussion Starter · #16 · Feb 5, 2022

Fired00d said:
@Vegashybrid & @sn0wfall let me introduce a novel concept to you both... "Agree to Disagree" & move on. Both of you responding, repeating your points only makes both look ridiculous and doesn't benefit the forum. Thanks.

Understood. He’s taken to harassing me in DM now anyway. Please feel free to close the thread. I got the answer I am going with. Thank you and sorry for the childish conflict.

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