[MSMV1]

BTW, I roughly measured how much oil came out from the factory / dealer and it was around 6 US quarts... (2.0T)

 

[EngTech1]

Yes, I like that Oil - Filter setup also .

BTW, I roughly measured how much oil came out from the factory / dealer and it was around 6 US quarts... (2.0T)

Around 6 qts. with Filter is Not even Close to Respectable Data - other then You Used some Oil ..
Other on Sites have said their 1.5T was down between changes and they had Topped it Off before the Oil Change , again was that 6000 miles Change or 10,000 miles change

No one Knows -Because 1. Good Actuate Information was provided , 2. Log events need to be more Actuate . Oil Amount Used - needs to be Reported in Oz .

I sure If You go to the Dealer - He only puts in 3.5 Qts , but Charges You for 4.5 Qrts You'll be saying something . .:surprise:

I went with the Purolator Pure One PL14610 filter as I've had good luck with Purolator for many years.
I used Pennzoil Platinum , but I'm using 5W-20 full synthetic.

OK reason I'm in here today is to Bring some Data Logging to Our Site - New Motors , New Transmissions We don't know what's Actually going to Happen in 30-40K
I Pulled Oil Filter as the Motor got Breakin Period - during some real Hot Weather .. _ also Noted Oil was down some 12-14 Oz this to Me is a little High Use . . Now
I don't know what the Factory is using . . and these Type of Oils - I Have Not Run on any of My Other Vehicles - those have Different Requirements ..

OK - I do Under stand some Use of Oil during Break-In could be Deemed Normal , but We should all be Tracking it .. and Reporting Here !
Strength in Numbers !

Now I only just started to Scrape the Surface of these **Oils - and Bam ** - I run into this Stuff called : Titanium Dioxide - Oil Additive ?


So Far I have Found it in Paint , Food , Vitamins , and some Prescription Drugs ?_?_?_? This Pegged My What Meter !
First Thing that Hits You hard about this is It's Listed as a ( Cancers Agent ) , OK Dig a little more and Chemical Co Reps are Saying :

**Whether it be Zinc, Molybdenum, TiO2, or Tungsten, any metallic or organo-metallic additive has to be processed so that it is 1) soluble in the lubricant, 2) that it disperses. **

OK , then I found Heat Annelise of this Additive Agent works after it gets Warmed Up , But is Shot all to **** at 266 Degree's F or 130 C . . , so now I wonder Why the H
is stuff even in Mobile Oil ? and I Guess some Version of Castrol Oil ? ( Is this Why some are Burning Off Oil Between Changes ) If so then
Were back to the - Engine Bay Temps and Oil Passing through the Turbo Bearing Area are Too Hot for some Additives ! ( Burning this Off ) ?

If any Oil is Broken down due to Hot Engine Bays and Turbo Bearing Temps of 286-288 Degrees ( These Temps I have Documented ) -
Like I recorded - then I'm NOT Running any Oil with TiO2 stuff in the Oil . .
Unless someone tell Me what this Additive is Suppose to be Doing ? ( Anybody )

 

[EngTech1]

I found this Site and has some Nice Testing Going on - Great Reporting `\ : - )

Some Of You that really Care for Your Ride and Drive Train , may Find this Page of Oil Samples & Testing being Preformed - Test Show what's in the Oil !
Some Info doesn't apply Directly : (( Virgin Oil Test ))

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/forums/11/1/virgin-oil-analysis-pcmo-hdeo

 

[MSMV1]

Around 6 qts. with Filter is Not even Close to Respectable Data - other then You Used some Oil ..
Other on Sites have said their 1.5T was down between changes and they had Topped it Off before the Oil Change , again was that 6000 miles Change or 10,000 miles change

Hey EngTech1,
I'm not entirely clear on what you are saying here. (It's early and I've barely had any coffee yet. )

If you are saying that my statement wasn't accurate enough, I understand and agree. It was an afterthought. I changed oil at 9,185 (mentioned in post #13 of this thread) a week prior. I have not added any oil since the car was purchased and I was slightly curious about the assertion that they are coming overfilled from the factory/dealer.

I did not entirely clean out my drain pan (Gasoline, rag, paper towel, etc.) but I did have it empty. It's one of those that has a cover over it and a spout. I can't see inside it very well at all. There could have been an ounce or two of old oil in there.

What was the angle of the ground when I drained it? How long did I drain it for? Way too many variables to account for in one person's garage to matter that much.

I also wasn't trying to measure the oil I drained out, I was just pouring it back into the empty 5 qt bottle for recycling. I filled one to the 5 qt line (Which also might not be entirely accurate), and roughly added around 1 qt to another that had some oil in it. That's the best info I can give because I wasn't trying to prove a point.

Regardless of whether my info is entirely accurate, that is still too much oil to have come out of a 2.0 engine that's supposed to be filled with 5 US quarts. That's the data, not the exact amount drained.

This also confuses me... " other then You Used some Oil .." It sounds like you were thinking that I had burnt some oil in those 9,000 plus miles and that my roughly 6 US quarts was lower than it should have been.

 

[EngTech1]

OK sounds like Yours was Over Filled ?

Seems were getting a lot of Individual Post on this Site about the same Topic .. I just mentioning as - Post would Be Ideal - If we all Posted Under ( First Oil Change ) about Our First Oil change and Reported Details , so Tracking could be
Done to Monitor - these New Engines . .

OK , Oh and I Thought - You had a Giant - Pick up the Car and Hold it @ just the Correct Angle to Drain every Last Drop , then Measured it - In Glass Test Tube - Milliliter - Vial : LOL Brahhhaa . . all Kidding aside . .

Just Interested in more Data being Mentioned to what's Actually Happening : Amount of Oil , Type , Miles , Filters You Selected If You - DIY : If No - DIY - that's Cool , but If at Time of Change was Oil Level
Showing Down at Bottom Dip stick - which I believe is 1/2 Qt. to Bring to Proper Level . Some Might Believe that in Order to bring Oil to Top from Bottom of Dip Stick They need to Add Full Qt. and Dumped an Entire Qt. In
As I - Don't Think - Owners Manual Mentions amount to Add . .between marks ..

Seeing this Oil today is suppose to be 15,000 miles Oil approx .

Back to Data : You Went 9000 Miles and Used Zero Oil . . Correct Me If I'm wrong anywhere . . and Use 91 Octane ?

 

[EngTech1]

Are We getting what We Paid for True 15K Oil ?
Which Filters seem better then Other s?
How Much Oil did anyone's Engine Use ?
Miles on Honda - when You hit the Oil Change or Decided it was Time ?

Any Interesting Note like I got more Out then what's Suppose to be in Motor . .

Any Noticeable Leaks or Seeps ?

Tracking Helps all of Us . .

I for one will have Engine Bay Rear Seal Off until Weather Changes to Cooler Fall Temps..

 

[EngTech1]

Also MSMV1 - Honda Book could be Wrong . .

Here's an OK study and Slides showing Graphs of where Oil is Going and the Impact of Viscosity vs Oil Film Thickness on Load and Friction ..

Some of Your Oil Chooses should be on How the Honda is Driven , ie - Highway , Local short Runs , or Cannon Ball Runs across the Country ..

I Did No sudden Shock Loads , all were Light to Medium , always - Varied Rpm's Nothing to High on Rpm's ..

Already I've Noted the Motor seems much Happier with 5w-20 ..and 91 Octane on Very Hot Days . . ( It Could just be the New Filter ) Designed Better .. I really don't like
having an Oil Filter that's smaller then the one on My Average Garden / Lawn Tractor .. Sure Miss having Oil Pressure / Temp Gauges ..

https://www.ltu.se/cms_fs/1.82748!/file/IanTaylor.pdf

 

[jsmith]

i hate 0w20 because it makes the motor clatter and make noise. the thin oil's main purpose is to improve mileage not performance. toyota issued TSB's to switch some of their motors from 5w-30 to 0w-20. service manager i talked to said they just ignored it, doesn't do anything...

 

[MSMV1]

Also MSMV1 - Honda Book could be Wrong . .

There's a chance you are right, but I'm not sure what you are suggesting that it could be wrong about.

OK sounds like Yours was Over Filled ?

Back to Data : You Went 9000 Miles and Used Zero Oil . . Correct Me If I'm wrong anywhere . . and Use 91 Octane ?

I feel like you are unintentionally putting words in my mouth. Maybe even being a little confrontational.

I have said nothing about 91 octane (which is equivalent to 92, 93, or 94 at higher elevations for those following along) Be aware also that 91 octane can be standard grade gas above 7,000 feet or so. It might not be enough to go strictly by octane value in these discussions.
I drive hundreds of miles a day, it isn't cost effective for me spend extra on higher octane gas.


Also, follow along with me on this. The factory and/or dealer filled the oil to an unspecified level initially. I drained it at 9,000+ miles. Other than keeping meticulous notes on what the dipstick shows (if it can even be seen on this particularly difficult to read dipstick), how would I have any idea how much oil might have been consumed? I don't know how much Honda overfilled with and I don't know if it was enough for the crankshaft to induce extra oil vapor to go through the PVC system, etc.
I did not mean to imply that I burned Zero oil in 9,000+ miles, just that I didn't know.

To be clear: I changed oil the first time at 9,185 miles. I added the specified amount of oil, which in my case is 5 US quarts. The dipstick does not show that my oil level is low.
I later drained the oil catch pan and realized that I had drained out roughly 6 US quarts of the Honda oil. I can't repeat this test (the oil level will never be above 5 quarts again) and I can't provide better measurements because of the numerous variables that I did not account for before the process began. I'm not claiming accuracy.

Lastly, with all due respect; I understand that there's a large amount of non-technical people here. I see it too. I'm not one of them...

 

[jsmith]

Yeah, 5 QTS with filter, the book says. When I checked my oil it was right at the high mark. I haven't checked again lately. I'd be curious how much comes out with an oil change.

 

[EngTech1]

OK - Good to Hear - Book is Correct on 5 Qts ..

Yeah, 5 QTS with filter, the book says. When I checked my oil it was right at the high mark. I haven't checked again lately. I'd be curious how much comes out with an oil change.

:wink: So am I , I'm Dam sure I have Only Added 12 Oz & Then 4 Oz - when I got Home and Dropped Out the Filter . 16 Oz @ 2153 Miles .. Yes to All the Dip stick is PITA .. , but I do Know these Engines Don't make Oil !
Not to Mention Today after another 118 miles Leisurely through the Mtn. Arrived back at Head Quarters 33.5 Mpg & Drip Stick - IR Temp with Hood up 2min. 170 Degrees . . . read:
( These are Small Mountains in , TN ) mostly 45-55 Mph - 60-65 Mph way Home .. which is Last 11-14 miles ..more Details on MPG Post ..

Oh Mr. Smith I also found the Odometer , Daaa . . More then 1 way to get to Trip A & Trip B - I was using the Home Button - using Roller on Steering Wheel .. Haaa
The Button over next to the Dash Dimmer - Super Easy - I just didn't Know that Scrolled to all 3 - Trip A , Trip B , I have Been Tripping over this Missing Odometer for like - 4 days ! LOL , Haaa

Up Above - Yes Octane certainly Troughs Light onto the Motors Use and Conditions mostly operated .. like Higher Elevations . .where the Turbo would be working Harder . .

 

[jsmith]

Yeah that master control button on the steering wheel gets you in trouble! It feels like you can do just about anything from there right?

 

[EngTech1]

Yeah , and My Remote Oil Location of New Oil Canister will be more Fun . . . Now how to get a Larger Oil Filter out in the Wind . . Haaa

 

[EngTech1]

OK Back to the Oil & Oil Changes - all these New Motors or "Shell" We Say Oil Companies - No Pun Intended - Back to this Futuristic Oil
0W-20
5W-20

Newer Oil Design coming down the road 0W-16 ( What ? ) :nerd::surprise: This Leaves Me I would Think You also - Items to Ponder ..

See Link for some Testing :

 

[EngTech1]

Filter are Very Important - - so Few Studies `\ : - )

Oil Filter - Inspections .

Different Look at Oil Filters Straight Into Japan : Style Testing :

 

[EngTech1]

Looking into How Oil disappears in Modern Engines or Is Oil being Used ?

There are Test that Show the Oils Volatility to Evaporation or Being Oxidized Off as the Additive Packs are Being Used .
I could only find this Info in 1 place for 5W-20 & 5W-30 . .
Now If You go to the Manufactures Sight You able to Look Up Most of the Results , some Oil Companies Hide Their Test Info Or Don't Give True Picture .
( Only Show some Results )

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18I-xK-pJfhhYMdxC6bhx8cnBLhFZq0AM4a7BtyZzTfc/htmlview#

 

[EngTech1]

PS : I Also wanted to Note

While on this Topic - all these Oil Test ( Spec's have gotten Eye Ball Deep )

The Graph is Older and You should Look Up Your Oil of Choice . .

Honda's Oil Test is way Better as it Actually uses Used Motor Oil so Real World Type Test . ( Honda HTO-06 tested Oils )

Looks to be Newer Mobil 1 Oil & Pennzoil Ultra or Pennzoil Full SYN - have very good Numbers . .

 

[EngTech1]

Seeing Apparently - Not many know to much about all these Darn Oil Test and Numbers , this seems to be Good Spot to Place some Oil Info .
Like Lower SAPS numbers & Lower NOACK - numbers are Better to have .., as It seems GDI & T-GDI Engines are taking over the World in last 5-7 Years so it has taken
Oil Company's some Time to Catch Up ..( Oil Companies They Claim Fast Paced Environment ) Probably Not the Best Word - They should Use . ( Seeing : Spark Plug Manufactures ) Are always Right There
Toe to Toe with the Auto Industry - Producing Products Ahead of there Time , Not Behind , Haaa

There are Even More Test Criteria coming down - Hopefully to be Used more on World Basis . . To Give an Idea see Link :

 

[Dihawk]

I used fumoto for one oil change but removed it before oil needed change d/t oil puddle on garage floor and a pint low in the engine. I like the convience but not the risk of blowing a engine. The oil was dripping form the nipple where you drain the oil from the valve and attach the drain tubing.

 

[EngTech1]

Oil Suction

I used fumoto for one oil change but removed it before oil needed change d/t oil puddle on garage floor and a pint low in the engine. I like the convience but not the risk of blowing a engine. The oil was dripping form the nipple where you drain the oil from the valve and attach the drain tubing.

Oil Suction : If You like Convenient set up - Boat Oil Changer is Handy , Especially out in the Cold or Snow Covered Drive ..
They Pull everything Up through Dip Stick Tube .., but You still have to Get the Filter Off , so Unless You have a Remote Location for that - Still Under the Car ..

Small Garage Floor Lifts make this Type Maintenance & Wheel , Suspension , Exhaust work much easier .. most don't have the Room of want the Expense . .

Now a Table Spoon of Oil will make Small Puddle , What Engine is the Valve On ? ( How Big of a Puddle ) As Pint -Two Cups of Warm Oil would be Big Puddle on the Floor . .