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Hi guys Manny here. I created my account specifically to chat about this horrible 10 speed. Here’s my story…

I purchased my Accord brand new from the dealer in 2019. Being in my late twenties purchasing my first brand new vehicle after owning used vehicles all my life, I was very excited especially since it was going to be my first Honda.

I watched video after video on YouTube about these new accords and read a lot of reviews.

After hours at the dealer, and reading peoples opinions about CVT transmission, I decided to spend the extra money and go with the 10 speed 2.0…. a decision I regret 3 years later.

I started noticing after a couple months that if I was even on the slightest incline or decline, and I can’t stress slightest enough, when I would move from park to reverse or drive, I would get a hard jolt and a really audible bang from the transmission. I finally took it in and fought with my service advisors for weeks while the vehicle sat with them.

They originally said that because I replaced my shocks, I must have dropped the axle in the front which could have caused damage to my transmission 😳. I fought back hard and told him that changing the struts does not require anything to do with the axle. Then… my service advisor said that I needed to pay for a transmission flush and that might solve it… key word is might. I told them I wasn’t paying for anything and there’s no way it needed a flush at the low miles it had.

finally… in Jan 2021 they agreed to replace my transmission.

Weeks later when I received my car back, guess what… the issue was still there.

Now I noticed another problem, rough horrible shifting in low gears both up shifting and down shifting.

someone described it perfectly on the forums, like someone who’s learning to drive manual for the first time and releasing the clutch way too soon.

This is felt especially in city driving and in traffic and in all modes including eco, regular, and sport mode.

Let’s say you’re in second gear in traffic, you let off the gas to come to a stop but then traffic picks up again so you push the gas. When you push the gas in second as the RPMs were dropping, you get a horrible jerking and stuttering and you can physically see the RPMs do this as you push the gas. If you do this on a hill, it’s double as bad!

Also, when the trans downshifts as you come to a full stop, the RPMS jump up with every down shift and you can physically feels these downshifts and it’s painful and cringy to feel especially with passengers. The very last downshift as you come to a full stop from 2nd to 1st literally feels like a light rear end accident.

Soo… after a whole year and 12,000 miles later hoping this would resolve since it’s a new trans.. the issue is still there.

So I take it back to my service dept and the service advisor is at a loss for words and says he believes it’s normal. I get his manager involved and they both go on a ride along with me and I show them exactly the issues which they felt. They then say there’s nothing more for them to do. I told them that it’s funny how they replaced my trans the first time so they obviously thought it was bad enough to do that, and now they don’t want to do anything about it.

I called Honda Corp a couple weeks ago and a specialist called me back. He stated I needed to take the vehicle back and pay my $100 diagnostic fee for them to check it out.

I explained that it’s useless because they already said they don’t want to do anything about it because they already gave me a new trans and they don’t know what else to do other than to say it’s normal operation.

So here I am guys stuck with this jerky 10 speed that’s horrible in low gears up and down.

I tried pressing the gas with the ignition in the on position as this is known to reset the trans and engine however this does not help me issue.

Does anyone else out there have any ideas for me? Reading more into it, is this something I should go to a new dealership way miles and miles away to see if there’s something they can reset to see if that corrects it?
 

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Sorry to hear about those issues! Sounds like maybe some real bad luck, like AA getting beaten by 72 off suit or something.

Is the $100 diagnostic fee refundable (e.g. if it's another warranty issue)? If so, you might just front it to keep the ball rolling?

FWIW, I will notice noise/jerk if I am parked on an incline/decline and shift from P to D (or R) IF I didn't set the parking brake (correctly) before shutting everything off when I initially parked. What works for me is come to a stop keeping foot pressed on brake, shift to P, engage parking brake, release brake pedal pressure, shut car off.
 

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You haven't had any check engine lights or warnings come up? I'm surprised the TCM hasn't thrown any codes or anything. If the mechanical pieces are new and its doing the same thing it sounds like it would be an electical/module issue.
 

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I'm not sure if this will apply to electronic e-brake, but this is what I do when parked on an incline/decline with an automatic. With my foot on the brake, I put it on neutral and engage the e-brake, release my foot brake and wait for the car to settle then put the car on Park position. The reason why you're hearing/feeling a bang/jolt is because of the transmission parking pawl releasing.

When did you start noticing these issues? After 3 years of ownership? 2 months? A year?
 

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I'm not sure if this will apply to electronic e-brake, but this is what I do when parked on an incline/decline with an automatic. With my foot on the brake, I put it on neutral and engage the e-brake, release my foot brake and wait for the car to settle then put the car on Park position. The reason why you're hearing/feeling a bang/jolt is because of the transmission parking pawl releasing.

When did you start noticing these issues? After 3 years of ownership? 2 months? A year?
Yeah are usually do that exactly whenever I park on a hill or some thing that would require me setting the parking brake. But the parking pawl is sticking even at the slightest and again I mean slightest incline were typically in a normal car you wouldn’t set the parking brake. This is the reason why Honda replaced my transmission the first time. But now they said they don’t want to replace it a second time but it’s pretty bad. I noticed the issues ever since I got the car. The rough first few gears with the ups shifting and downshifting and boosting the RPMs with every shift, I started feeling mainly with the new transmission
 

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Sorry to hear about those issues! Sounds like maybe some real bad luck, like AA getting beaten by 72 off suit or something.

Is the $100 diagnostic fee refundable (e.g. if it's another warranty issue)? If so, you might just front it to keep the ball rolling?

FWIW, I will notice noise/jerk if I am parked on an incline/decline and shift from P to D (or R) IF I didn't set the parking brake (correctly) before shutting everything off when I initially parked. What works for me is come to a stop keeping foot pressed on brake, shift to P, engage parking brake, release brake pedal pressure, shut car off.

From everything I've read, which is a lot.. when parking, should follow this sequence : 1) With car stopped, keeping foot on brake, shift to Neutral 2) Keeping foot on brake, apply Parking Brake and release foot from brake pedal 3) shift into park, and turn off engine.

The way you describe it, your shifting into P instead of N after initially stopping with foot on brake. Should shift into N THEN apply parking brake, then shift into P, and shut off engine
 

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They said they replaced the transmission, but did they really do it. Sounds to me like they pulled a bait and switch.

I'm hard pressed to believe that a NEW transmission would cause the EXACT SAME issue.

Now if the problem isn't the tranny, could it be the control module? Did they replace that too? What does replacing the transmission involve, did the use the old valve body?

There are so many questions that could be asked about their "replacement" procedure...
 

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From everything I've read, which is a lot.. when parking, should follow this sequence : 1) With car stopped, keeping foot on brake, shift to Neutral 2) Keeping foot on brake, apply Parking Brake and release foot from brake pedal 3) shift into park, and turn off engine.

The way you describe it, your shifting into P instead of N after initially stopping with foot on brake. Should shift into N THEN apply parking brake, then shift into P, and shut off engine
Since the car already has features like automatic parking brake Off upon driving, automatic parking brake On upon turning the car off (user set), auto into N if accidentally press R while driving, no effect if accidentally press P while driving, auto into N if press and hold P while driving, auto shift into P if open door while driving in D or R (and if/when that happens, the car doesn't visibly shift into N before P), I was ASSuming that Honda engineers would have already added a "neutral stage or phase" (or otherwise taken into account and addressed any potential issues with going straight to P from D or R) in between D to P or R to P (e.g. if it were necessary, the car would automatically put itself into N briefly while going from D to P or R to P) - maybe I gave them too much credit?

Is there official Honda documentation that shows users must or should manually engage N before P when parking? I haven't fully RTFM...
 

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With that method, your car will still rock back on an incline.
The one in the manual? It seems like it will work to me? I don't get any movement with my method and the manual instructions only differ slightly from what I do - as long as release of the foot brake is the last step when parking, I think there "should" be no movement afterwards?
 

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The one in the manual? It seems like it will work to me? I don't get any movement with my method and the manual instructions only differ slightly from what I do - as long as release of the foot brake is the last step when parking, I think there "should" be no movement afterwards?
Yea. It's kinda hard to explain. My driveway has a little incline so I get to experiment lol. It happens with the 2015 mdx (foot brake), 2020 mdx (e-brake), 2020 tlx (e-brake), 2020 rdx (e-brake) etc. We've had almost every Honda/Acura and it never fails, and this is especially true for cars with hand brake and foot parking brake. This isn't unique to Honda, but with every car. I'd have to put it on neutral, set the parking brake, release the main brake, then it'll move a little, then put it on Park. And everytime I do this method the trans never rests on the pawl thus no thud when moving out of gear.
 

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Hey, speaking as a long time JKD practitioner, I'm all about finding what works for you individually! (y) :)

My driveway has a more or less level area that declines to the street, nothing major. I'll have to remember to try out a few methods the next time I park somewhere more steep...
 

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honestly i think its just a quirk of the transmission. i think as long as its driving fine, you're probably ok. i too experience that jolting when youre coasting but go to speed up. you just have to learn when to push the gas at the right time. let it shift before accelerating, and you can avoid those jolts. the engine is very torquey at low RPMs. people tune their 2.0T to crazy power levels without even touching the transmission and they dont seem to have issues so i think its durable enough. its annoying though i get it.
 

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Well I’m here now at the service dept for the 3rd time after already having this transmission replaced. I read somewhere that resetting the adaptive transmission values could work. We will see
 

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Well I’m here now at the service dept for the 3rd time after already having this transmission replaced. I read somewhere that resetting the adaptive transmission values could work. We will see
really? ive been thinking that it really seems like it could be a software thing, but dont know how the software changes over time. it really seems like if the transmission would just chill out and not try to immediately downshift upon taking foot off gas, it would smooth it out
 
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