[ScottsMerkin]

Visit my thread for some real WHP on Hondata. http://www.accordxclub.com/forum/108-turbo-tuning/878-stage-3-dyno-tune.html. If you look at my dyno sheets. I am gaining near 32WHP and 91WTQ on 93 Octane with Stage 3. With 91, probably slightly lower.

Now I am waiting to see if someone can dyno their KTuner post it up. It would be interesting to see.

So are you saying the Ktuner numbers are fake, since you are trying to direct us to some "real whp" Cause I can assure you the numbers on derek robinson's dyno at Innovative are real.

 

[RagerX]

So are you saying the Ktuner numbers are fake, since you are trying to direct us to some "real whp" Cause I can assure you the numbers on derek robinson's dyno at Innovative are real.

Of course they are "real". I am saying they are basing a dyno based horsepower run and then saying there is a increase of 27 wheel horsepower(Different from bhp) but the whole dyno run is rated very high close to stock bhp.

Hondata claims doesn't even state wheel horsepower at all and their claims based off bhp. My numbers came up pretty close to what they have for a stage 3 scramble mode +9.

I am just against andyboyd102's claim that KTuner is better with lower psi. Until someone can actually show some Dyno sheets of their own. Then I'll let it be. I believe both Hondata and KTuner are very similar.

 

[cwatt1080]

Hey guys, new owner of the 2.0T Sport 10 speed auto here.

I am really interested in getting this hondata tune and juice up my baby, but I am a complete car scrub (software guy here) and I don't want to kill my reliability/maintenance. I really want this car to last for a while. Doesn't it void out the warranty too? But I want to have fun........ heh I can't decide.

Also, what are some other no-brainer upgrades I can get installed? Thoughts/Opinions?

Thx all

 

[ScottsMerkin]

Hey guys, new owner of the 2.0T Sport 10 speed auto here.

I am really interested in getting this hondata tune and juice up my baby, but I am a complete car scrub (software guy here) and I don't want to kill my reliability/maintenance. I really want this car to last for a while. Doesn't it void out the warranty too? But I want to have fun........ heh I can't decide.

Also, what are some other no-brainer upgrades I can get installed? Thoughts/Opinions?

Thx all

No brainer, go Ktuner.

 

[Ghawkins]

No brainer, go Ktuner.

Is the KTuner a flash tune or piggyback? I am concerned about my warranty and understand that a flash tune can be found even if removed. The ECU has a counter had tracks the numbers of software upgrades. If they are Honda updates, that will have been recorded. Others will be suspicious. There those who think that even piggyback tuners leave a footprint.

 

[RagerX]

Is the KTuner a flash tune or piggyback? I am concerned about my warranty and understand that a flash tune can be found even if removed. The ECU has a counter had tracks the numbers of software upgrades. If they are Honda updates, that will have been recorded. Others will be suspicious. There those who think that even piggyback tuners leave a footprint.

Its a Flash Tune. Your warranty will be voided once you flash it once.

 

[ScottsMerkin]

Its a Flash Tune. Your warranty will be voided once you flash it once.

False again. Your warranty is not voided by simply flashing. They have to prove your flashed caused whatever part to break. They can't prove it when you flash back to stock because flashing stock on Ktuner puts the original software flash back on the ECU and the dealer cannot tell.

 

[ScottsMerkin]

Is the KTuner a flash tune or piggyback? I am concerned about my warranty and understand that a flash tune can be found even if removed. The ECU has a counter had tracks the numbers of software upgrades. If they are Honda updates, that will have been recorded. Others will be suspicious. There those who think that even piggyback tuners leave a footprint.

There is no flash counter on a Honda ECU. They are not like some other manufacturers who employ counters.

 

[Scotty]

Its not something you'll be able to hide from Honda diagnostics anyways, and you shouldn't feel like you have to. As said above, its not a guarantee that warranty work will be voided, as Honda will have to prove your modifications directly led to the problem.

 

[ScottsMerkin]

Its not something you'll be able to hide from Honda diagnostics anyways, and you shouldn't feel like you have to. As said above, its not a guarantee that warranty work will be voided, as Honda will have to prove your modifications directly led to the problem.

wrong, the hds only sees the vin and the software version of the ecu. If you flashed stock all it sees is the factory software version. I know for a fact on Ktuner, if the dealer updates your software version, the next time you lock your Ktuner to the Ecu it downloads the newer factory software version as your factory map for when you flash stock. As long as you are flashing stock before going to the dealer they will never know you flashed. The ECU also does not store any datalogs, so all the HDS can see when they hook it up after the vin/software is any codes that may be stored and live data as the car runs on the factory flash.

 

[RagerX]

wrong, the hds only sees the vin and the software version of the ecu. If you flashed stock all it sees is the factory software version. I know for a fact on Ktuner, if the dealer updates your software version, the next time you lock your Ktuner to the Ecu it downloads the newer factory software version as your factory map for when you flash stock. As long as you are flashing stock before going to the dealer they will never know you flashed. The ECU also does not store any datalogs, so all the HDS can see when they hook it up after the vin/software is any codes that may be stored and live data as the car runs on the factory flash.

ScottsMerkin, I asked my dealership and the head of service center. He said that if they really really wanted to. They can tell regardless if it was re flashed back to stock but he didn't tell me the process. And also I already know that they have to prove that the flash caused the issue. Many posts ago I stated this on another thread so you can stop attacking me with the word "false" or to the similar because I know of this Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act already.

 

[ScottsMerkin]

ScottsMerkin, I asked my dealership and the head of service center. He said that if they really really wanted to. They can tell regardless if it was re flashed back to stock but he didn't tell me the process. And also I already know that they have to prove that the flash caused the issue. Many posts ago I stated this on another thread so you can stop attacking me with the word "false" or to the similar because I know of this Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act already.

Im not attacking you, if you think saying "false" is an attack Im sorry. Im just telling you that a dealer can't see it. Never have been able to. Ive asked tech after tech, service manager after service manager on every forum Ive been on to show us all how they know you are flashed, not once has anyone shown proof or even described how they can see. Its always "we can if we want." noooooo, they are telling you that bc they dont want to admit at a dealer level they cannot tell. Its still up in the air if corporate can but I know of two situations where a corporate engineer flew out to look at cars and determine what happened and even they didnt find that the car was tuned. We have numerous people tuned who have bent rod, broken cvts and had other warranty work done and all were covered, because the dealer can't tell. The only way they would be able to tell if you tuned it is if you have some sort of catastrophic event or missed shift that stores a DTC and then stores the event data to go with that. That data could show the car overboosted or revved to a certain point or exceed some factory settings and then by that could determine the car must have been tuned. None of that is stored under normal driving conditions.

 

[ScottsMerkin]

When modding your car you should be prepared to pay for what you break. But just because you flash doesnt automatically mean you are toast. Im just letting you all know, its not like other manufacturers where they have flash counters or hook a device up it says the ecu has been altered. Its a process of elimination they would go through to even decide to ask you if you are tuned. If you are that worried about your warranty then the whole modding scene isnt for you until your warranty is gone. Truth be told, the tunes should be safe enough that you wont even have anything break during your warranty. Unfortunately for me, Ive had 2 batteries and an AC compressor covered on my civic but ive been covered every time. Ill never buy a 1st year model again. So ready for the 19 accord to come so I can get out of my civic.

 

[andyboyd102]

So you're totally against what I say? First off I provided Dyno numbers from hondata website and they talked about how much boost they used. Those are facts not my opinion. Then I also provided to this thread ktuner Dyno charts. Those are also facts and have nothing to do with my opinion. I simply provided Dyno charts by both manufacturers. So yet again if you want to disagree with someone maybe you need to disagree with the manufacturers of The Flash Tunes. I have used flashpro in the past and have always been a long time hondata user but the fact is I'm getting better results with ktuner

 

[andyboyd102]

I live in a Honda manufacturing town and Scotts Merkin is 100% correct with everything he is stating. I know he is correct cuz my brother-in-law works at the Honda manufacturing plant and he interacts with Honda Engineers on a daily basis. Scott's you are 100% correct

 

[RagerX]

I live in a Honda manufacturing town and Scotts Merkin is 100% correct with everything he is stating. I know he is correct cuz my brother-in-law works at the Honda manufacturing plant and he interacts with Honda Engineers on a daily basis. Scott's you are 100% correct

Thanks, it's good to know from people who work directly with Honda to provide the correct information. The internet is mixed with Honda's modern ECU "flag" system similar to Audi/VW and my dealership stating this as well.

 

[AccordJohn]

I just got my first car since 1994! All suv's…. Just got the Stage Two Flash. It is just amazing! Feels like a sports car to me! The reflash is much smoother than I expected. The real kick on an open freeway is when you look at the speedo and you're goin' 80mph!

 

[SDAccord6MT]

Does the Hondata Tune include a Rev matching function?

 

[cavscout110]

I was basically going to post the same "I'm a noob" at engine tuning message at the end of this thread as @cwatt1080 did.

Can someone tell me what does flashing the car's setup with either hondata or ktuner do to the car's ability to execute the "econ" and "sport" modes. Is there no interference? Also with a stage 1 flash what impacts do you see to city and highway fuel mileage??

Thanks

 

[IMMORTAL781]

GARRET T5 upgrade soon with a flash and dyno ! who ready to see a rocket?